Unlocking Your True Identity: Healing, Alignment & Purpose with Nathan Wakeford

In Episode 54 of the Inside OUT podcast, Jojo is joined by transformational guide Nathan Wakeford to explore identity optimization: how your inner narrative shapes your reality. They dive into the power of somatic healing, family constellation therapy, and the role of energetic alignment in creating a fulfilling life. Nathan explains how to manifest from a place of non-attached conviction, and why gratitude, presence, and nervous system regulation are key to lasting transformation. This conversation offers practical tools and deep insights for anyone ready to shift their identity, rewire patterns, and align mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.

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Jojo (00:07.567)
Inside Out Podcast. I'm your host JoJo and this is where we will navigate the mess together. That is mental, emotional and spiritual. Let's get messy.

Jojo (00:26.094)
Hey everyone, welcome back. Welcome to Inside Out. If this is your first time, welcome, welcome. Today I'm really excited because I have my new friend, Nathan Wakeford here with me and we are gonna discuss identity optimization. I mean, what does that even mean? Our identity. Well, anyway, let me talk about Nathan. Nathan is a transformational specialist, runs several businesses, but the one thing that

really sticks out to me is his work with somatics and particularly somatic transformational work with men. And as you know, last week I spoke with Jacob Grichard and we talked about somatics and he works with women, particularly women. So this week I wanted to have a little bit of a balance on the other side and talk to someone who really works a lot with men and what

that is all gonna unfold and look like will happen in this conversation. without further ado, Nathan. Hey, you for having me for the show. Yeah, thank you for joining me. There's a big word here, identity. Big, big I word. And I think even for me until this past year, identity has been something that I haven't even known how to address that or even like, what is my identity?

the deeper I get into my own work and finding my voice and doing all the things, I feel like I'm starting to figure out who I am. But you as someone who works with people with particularly around identity optimization, can you unpack what that is and truly how to find that? That's easy. What's the story that you tell about yourself?

What's the story that you tell about all of your life experiences up until this point? Were they painful? Did they serve you? Did they expand you? Did they unleash you? Really, the way that you relate to all of your experiences up until this moment determines how you perceive yourself and you perceive your life to this day. That's really the expression of your identity. So the way that you transform a person's identity is you align them with the desired optimum outcome for that person's life.

Jojo (02:49.826)
Right. So when I'm talking about identity optimization, it's with respect to what I call divine alignment. Right. And that's when, when, when the person discovers the greater purpose or reason for being, when they unlock, you know, the true nature of why they're here and how they're living towards that, you know, then you're living in alignment and alignment then comes to coherence. So, you know, where you're going, you're in divine alignment, but then we don't always show up every day.

as our best selves. When you've got cats knocking over glass jars, partners saying, you've lost my charger. It can rattle us and take us out of coherence, a coherent state with that alignment. And so when we're in a line coherence with the divine will, the outcome, we become magnetic. We transmit a frequency that pulls from the ether things that are in a resonant fit.

for that alignment. It's an automatic process. We're either magnetic to it or repelling to it. And so this is where, you know, often people say, you know, they know what they want. I want to be wealthy. Well, okay. Or I would go for what purpose? For what highest purpose do want to be wealthy? And then, or you might want to be healthy for what highest purpose? And then they might say, well, I really want to do what's good in the world. And I go, okay, for what highest purpose?

I just want to feel home. Ah, so what you want to create is home. Yeah, I want to feel safe in the world. I want to feel like I'm surrounded by people who reflect my highest expression, who I help them and they help me. I want to be in luxury, but the kind of luxury that regenerates humanity and restores us to remembering the gift that is to be human again. You know, this is what I want to be part of. So you go, OK, so that's that's where you want to go. How are you living in alignment with that right now?

How is everyday optimized to bring that into existence by that being an expression of you, your identity, your identity is that which is an, automatically attracts magnifies that experience around you. create the world by who you, by who you're being. And so part of my work, once you get clear on where you're going, we get clear on the obstructions that are preventing you from being there. So that might be, you know what? I just don't trust people. I don't trust the world because I was

Jojo (05:17.879)
physically assaulted when I was a teenager or as a young kid or my parents abandoned me or my family betrayed me or blah blah blah. And so my job is I create new meaning from that story that you're telling yourself that that was the most painful event to my life. That was the most empowering event of my life. That's made me who I was and why that helped me now live in the fullest expression of my purpose. If it wasn't for that event, I wouldn't be where I am now. It's because of that.

that I've become who I am now versus because of that, that's the reason why I haven't got, you know, my life together or all the other reasons. It's just the story you've told about those events. The story is so interesting because it's that looping mechanism that keeps us stuck and small. I've done it my whole life until probably this past year where I've really broken out of that cage that I self-inflicted or put myself in.

When you work with people to rewrite their story, what are you saying? How are you really guiding them through that? Because I think it's really simple to be like, yeah, I'm telling myself a negative story, but then to really reprogram that mindset to truly shift. What is that process and how do you support that with the people that you work with? Well, the first part,

I get the desired outcomes, meaning the physical outcomes and the non-physical outcomes. Physical outcomes might be, you know, the happy life, the big back and car balance, the regular vacations, the car, everything else physically. And then the emotional elements, know, I want to feel fulfilled. I want to feel like I've got momentum in life. want to feel that my life is something of meaning, that I feel momentum, that I feel

you know, purpose and feel all these other different things. I want to feel love. I want to feel connection. And then I ask, all right, well, what are the problems of pains and patterns that are preventing you from experiencing that right now? And then that drops them into, well, my bank account balance is zero. You know, I'm fighting with my partner and they list out all the problems of the current life, you know, and I go, okay, I'm not sure about the direction of my career. Okay, that's your problem. What is the patterns that keep yourself here?

Jojo (07:39.818)
Because that can change any moment. How are you keeping yourself perpetuated in this experience? For instance, in the relationships, well, I get scared and I push people away. Okay. Or I start fights and I don't even know why. Okay. I overspend. Okay. I push away deals and I discount, you know, the value, my true value when I'm negotiating terms. Okay. So that's how you're repeating these patterns.

What, what is all this costing you? What is the emotional toll of these events on you? Wow. I feel depressed. I feel lonely. I feel screw the world. feel blah, blah, blah. And okay. Okay. So if I were able to remove those obstructions, would you get these XYZ? you know, would you get the house? Would you get, and you're feeling fulfilled. Would that, would that be something that you'd be really compelling for you?

I have to get them buying. have to get them committed and really wanting and believing it's possible to get to this desired outcome. That's the first thing. They have to be committed because it requires people to meet their trauma. You can understand that the reason that we make limiting decisions subconsciously is because at a subconscious level, we associate more pain with getting what we want than getting what we don't want. As crazy as that sounds. So if getting money means at a subconscious level,

that it means more risk in some capacity, meaning I get the love and affection. It can be even a good thing, but love and affection means brutality from the times that I was beaten up as a kid by my father. It doesn't matter how much good love can be directed at you if you associate the person who was meant to love you as the person who beat you up. So I resolved that, I re-associate meaning to that event. So that's what made that child strong.

It's because of that, that now you have the conviction to see things through, to go through great adversity, to do things that other people are unwilling to do, that you become strong and powerful and are the exact man capable of creating this outcome. So I change, I go back to that, so at a somatic slash energetic, etheric level, most of the work I do is what I call in the field. Now there are logic, there's a whole logical level, the logical hierarchy of change.

Jojo (10:01.132)
Now at the basic level is your environment. You know, I'm sitting on the couch right now. I change my, if I walk to the lounge room, I'm going to change the way I feel. Above that are emotions. If I choose to focus on feeling gratitude right now, that's going to shift me temporarily. If I go above that, I've got certain ways I do things, the ways that I start conversations, the ways that I use the bathroom, the ways that I, they're called meta programs, the way we, the automated processes of our life. I change those and I change my experience.

Instead of driving to work this way, I drive to this way. I'm going to have a different experience. Above that, I have my beliefs. So I believe that, I don't know, social media is bad. Well, if I want to build a business on social media, then that's going to be in conflict or money's bad. And above beliefs, we have our identity. The identity is the story that we tell about ourselves, who we think we are. Above our identity is something called systemic relations. Systemic relations are

cultural indoctrinations, family suffering obligations, things where at an energetic field level, if there's been trauma, like significant trauma, just imagine you're from a minority group, whether it's indigenous Australian people, for instance, or it's the indigenous of America who did the Walk of Shame and all this stuff where they were.

really severely perpetrated. is a systemic cultural pattern that needs resolution, but for many of those. Then above that is what I call the field. The field is the field of, or the void of infinite potentiality and possibility. And then above that you have divinity. You have the will of God. So what I do is I survey where that pain moment happened, whether it's in this life or a past life.

So if in some prior lifetime you misappropriated money, you did the wrong thing, or you killed a bunch of people, or whatever it is, that can have a ripple effect in this life without question. I've seen it thousands of times. So, if you ever, this might be a new to some of your listeners, check out a book called Many Lives, Many Masters.

Jojo (12:22.699)
And he does this is a guy who did past life regression. And I read this book like 20 years ago or something like that, a long time ago, maybe 15, something like that. Anyway. And the idea is that, you know, we are eternal beings. go through one life time to the next, and we bring the data from the previous lifetime into the next at some deep subconscious level that is in the field. So the field work I do is I make a structure changes that are complimentary to your aligned magnetism.

in divine alignment. whether it's a belief, whether it's an identity level, whether it's a systemic relation level, I find the appropriate level and I make the change. And then as you remove those obstructions, it's kind of like chipping away barnacles from an ad a hole of a boat or peeling layers of an onion is probably better analogy. As I peel away those layers, you start to reveal your true nature. The true nature, which is divinity, right?

So the outer layers are, you you've got these life experiences and events that you made decisions about who you were based on those that now are limiting you to your higher expression. So we recode those, we remove the obstructions, the pain, the traumas. And from that, you start to realize the things that once govern your decisions that you once associated with pain, you now associate with positive kinesthetic outcomes. So you are automated.

in doing the things that are aligned and optimized for your well-being and desired outcomes. If before you associated going to the gym with negative pain, negative, negative, can aesthetic experience. Now you associate with a positive commit, can aesthetic experience. Cause some of the good things in life I first met with discomfort and, then you learn to embrace discomfort and then you learn to embrace change and then you learn to meet your pain and your traumas and then you become free of them. want to double click on that last part that you just said and it

brings me to mercy and judgment. How you can go through a process from judgment or you can go through it from mercy. And what I mean by that is like, you can go through a really tough lesson and it can like ruin your whole life and you don't learn from it, but you can go through it and really look at it and be like, wow, this is like for my greater good, my highest potential. However, my question around that is, why does it have to be those life shattering moments?

Jojo (14:44.127)
that bring us to our knees, that really create and are the catalyst for the foundation of the life that we're truly meant to build. Why can't, I mean, this is where my brain, I'm always constantly fighting, because I see both sides. But why can't it just be from a more, you know, gentle place? Like, why does the universe have to throw us these curve balls that break windows rather than just, you know, land in the midst?

Well, do you take notice of the small things in life? Me personally? Yeah. Do you express gratitude that this morning you had water to drink in the tap?

I don't think I get that micro with it, no. So here's something that I know about exponential transformations. Most people don't experience exponential transformation because they don't have a foundation of appreciating the current context. There's always something wrong with the current context. So the majority of your energy, time and attention goes into what isn't a line, what isn't magnetic, what isn't good. last half.

Empty rather than seeing it as half full. The very base level is something's not right. Something isn't perfect as it is right now, even if I'm paying. So we automatically associate the present moment. And then what we do, we amplify that's a state of incoherence. We automatically put ourselves out of resonance with what we desire. Just by not appreciating right now I'm sitting to talk to you and it's fantastic. I get to speak to new people. I get to be heard and share my message.

This is extraordinary. Thank you so much. It took me many, many, many, many times of me making lots of money and losing it and then things, deals happening and getting pulled away last second and all this sort of stuff for me to realize that even when money came in, I wasn't grateful. I'm like, what is this about? And I realized when the money would come in, it would be, it's not quite as much as I wanted.

Jojo (16:51.051)
It's not quite enough. need, you know, it wouldn't be thank you for that small amount of money that just came in, whether it's $50 or $5,000 or $50,000 or $5 million. It's like, thank you. And think of it in this way.

We often associate it with people, but we don't associate it with cells and we don't associate it with things like money. Let me break what I'm trying to express here.

When that small amount of money comes in and you go, well, it's not what I wanted. It's not, it's not the amount that I need. Can you imagine if you came and you made me a cup of tea or a partner gave me a cup of tea or gave me some food or something like that. Hey, I bought your croissant. Hey, that's not really what I wanted. You'd like, you. What do you mean? I just went out of my way to come to you to give something nice. And you're like, that's not what I want. What kind of asshole are you? We do that continuously to the things that we desire.

I call it seagulls and seaweed when we're moving towards a desire, the new partner, the new deal, the new opportunity. And it comes to us because we ask for it. And instead of going, wow, this is the seagulls and the seaweed, which is an analogy for a sailor finding land. When a sailor is searching for land, when they start to see seagulls and seaweed, they know they're close. It's not what they want. It's not land.

But it is what they want because it's telling it's eminent. You're close. So when the seagulls and seaweeds start to approach you, you go, thank you. You don't even say, it's not what I wanted. You're like, thank you. It's inevitable that I'm getting close to exactly what I want. Right. And so that's what I mean by the small gratitudes for the little things that are in any sort of alignment. That's how you stay in coherence with the alignment and become even more magnetic. This is a sign that I'm getting

Jojo (18:48.17)
receiving of exactly what I intended an asshole. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank thank you, thank you, thank you, you, thank thank you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you,

of who you are. And that includes everything that might see appear at first to be a challenge or a problematic, you know, factor. Meaning this thing that the deal that fell through is actually the deal because of that, that I got, I got to meet the person who was the perfect customer that everything happened. The money didn't receive on time. Well, because of that, I'm learning to really appreciate and value money. Now the money that I do have.

When all roads lead to Rome, when doesn't matter what happens, is it because of that a reason for you experience exactly what you want in alignment and you have the coherent magnetic alignment for that? everything brings you to what you want. It doesn't matter what small thing, what big thing, what little thing, what challenging thing. It's all of course, of course it's happening because that's making me a fit for exactly what I want. Family constellations. That is a word.

and a mechanism of transformation that I've heard a lot about. And how does that play into our identity and where we come from? And also, can you explain what it means? So, family consolation is a modality of healing. And what it gives you is a snapshot.

of the context of the inter dynamics, interplaying dynamics between different people within your family. Or not just within your family, can be with, like I mentioned before, it can be at a systemic level, it could be your culture, could be some other thing, right? So I do kind of non-traditional family constellations now, because I've done this work for a long time, I've interwoven my own way of doing things. Traditional constellations, you arrange yourself in a circle.

Jojo (21:16.945)
and that each and different people are assigned roles. And you create an energetic grid, you could say, of which the people that are part of the circle are given roles to play within the grid. But often they're a double blind. The person doesn't know what role they're playing. And so this and the family constellation is typically done around one person, the constellation of people around this particular person. So there's a subject, a person that you're asking questions on.

And you'll be like, and so the person is the facilitator writes down a name, often intuitively, often from the story that this person has told them, meaning, you know, hey, what are the conditions of your life right now? Well, you know, I lost my grandfather, you know, and it had a huge emotional impact on me. might be, you know, I find that I'm losing all this money right now. And then like, okay, what's your family's relationship with money? You know, my mom, my father had a gambling addiction. I'm like, okay, got it. So you're writing down, you get certain brief.

notes and then you write down and the person doesn't know what I'm doing but I'm writing down father, I'm writing down grandfather and I said choose take this card and choose it and give it to someone in the circle. They take the card, they put it in their back pocket, they come into the center of the circle and that person I said basically allow yourself to play the role of this person and then they'll move somewhere in the circle intuitively often with their eyes closed and they take a position and then I put in the father and then I put in

someone to represent the subject themselves, if it's on a guy, for instance. And they orientate in a way which gives you a snapshot of the dynamics that are playing out in that family. And usually the resolution that comes is there's someone that needs to be acknowledged because in family constellations, everyone is significant. Everyone has to be acknowledged. The great grandfather who stole all this money eventually might come into the play.

the father with the gambling addiction comes into play. We find out where the father's gambling addiction from. it actually came from his father who learned from his great-great-grandfather. And so what we do is we unpack the story and we change it. We're like, okay, well, what does this person need to experience for resolution? Well, he needs to accept acceptance. The reason why he destroyed everything is because he was trying to get attention. He was sacrificed in love.

Jojo (23:43.196)
You know, and he felt excluded and exiled. So then I bring about the resolution of that. I bring about the resolution and so the family comes into order. And what's crazy, the better you get at this work, the better you become an instrument of perceiving the field. The more that I can just read things in the field and it doesn't even have to be spoken. The field starts speaking to me, through me, through the things around me.

And that relates to a whole different maybe chapter, but you kind of, I noticed some of the things I just said landed on you. Wow. Like, like a universal truth. I, you guys can't see me, but I have my hands like on my like solar plexus right now because it's just like impacting me so deeply, like core level.

Jojo (24:40.87)
I'm like a little bit, a little bit speechless, which is not good since there's a mic in my face.

When you're working with the family constellations, these, this is a group of people that know each other, that don't know each other. These are- They don't know each other. So these are just people that come together who are working on their, like it could be like just the people that want to do the family constellations are all together working through other people's stuff. And they don't even know what they're- Right. It's more just like intuitive and divinely like- You got it?

They just start playing a role. You're in a coherent field of intention. So I set the intention for the field that organizes the energetics of that field. Then that person, when they take the card or they take on the role, that's like the intention of connecting to the field of that person in that grid. Hmm. I had no idea it was a group. I do my own version in people's heads. I have people sit at a table. I put their father, their mother, their grandfather, the family dinner table. It's a type of isolation.

Wow. And then I put money, for instance, I put money at the table. You might imagine this, I'll take you through a two second exercise, right? Let's do it. your eyes for a second and find yourself sitting at your childhood dinner table.

Jojo (26:05.306)
And just notice which dinner table it is, which household it is, and who's sitting at the table and their positions around the table.

Jojo (26:14.524)
Just notice who's to your right, who's to your left, who's in front of you. Who's at the table? How many people are at the table right now?

Jojo (26:23.762)
for including myself.

So let's do this in relationship to money. I want you to put an additional chair at the table. Now there's five. Now when you put the energy and consciousness of money at that chair.

Now I want you to notice how people change when money sits at the table. How did your father change? Is he aware of the presence of the money there? Does he look at it? How does he change his behavior?

Jojo (26:58.566)
How does he relate to money? Now look at your mother. Did her expression change? How does she relate to money?

Now is there a sibling at the table?

Jojo (27:16.104)
Now just if you can go meta, which means basically if you can just zoom out from the experience and observe, notice how you relate to money. If you could leave your body for a second and observe yourself in relationship to money, like see yourself sitting at the table and how you relate to money, just notice how you relate to What do you notice?

Jojo (27:35.996)
Notice your sibling, notice your mother, notice your father. Notice everyone's relationship to money.

Jojo (27:44.648)
I'm not going to go through and process this whole thing with you now, but we start to observe those, meaning of those associations. Does money have a, is money welcome? the people that are at the table, do they embrace, they friends with the money? Do they try to reach and grab? Do they repel, do they ignore? Are they connected? They appreciate, is it gratitude? What's your relationship?

That is the story that you have subconsciously with me. So you can come back, all the people leave the table. What did you see? Wow. I don't know why that made me cry. Because you would have seen with the unconscious thing that's been pressing on you maybe for a long time. You see the unspoken of force, that's the subconscious of play.

And maybe sometimes, you know, we do a lot of actions and not knowing why some things don't happen quite the way they happen is because we have a subconscious story about it.

Jojo (28:50.298)
as I was going through that process.

something really landed for me that actually was said to me about two days ago over the weekend. And I'm in the process of moving, but how that's unfolding hasn't been very clear. And someone that I've been around him quite a bit, but I haven't really had like a true conversation with him before. It's just gonna be like a how high, are you situation.

But this past weekend, the level of conversation and everything just kind of got deeper and like, it really made sense to like why he's been in my orbit. something that he said to me was,

Don't worry about the job. Make the move and the job will come.

And why I relate that so closely with what you just put, what you just facilitated was because the story that I've been telling myself is, I can't move if I don't have a way to sustain abundance, to support myself, to do all of these things.

Jojo (30:15.791)
And now I'm realizing from that exercise that

It's always been a chase instead of an allowance and really letting it come to me when it's right, rather than truly chase my passion and my desire and letting money sort of be the definer of where I go and how I go and what I do.

So that was like a huge aha moment that I just had and you know, I sort of moved through that even this this weekend and I was talking to my mom yesterday and I said this really this really landed for me, but what didn't was the story and the why so thank you so much and For the for the friend in the room listening to this I I hope

Maybe you can rewind and go do that for yourself. Maybe money is a huge controller of your life. Or maybe you just connect with Nathan and talk to him and do a family consolation. I mean, wow, that brief, brief thing just unlocked so much. Thank you. You're welcome.

And that's the crazy part. We go through life, know, there are subconscious. They say it basically controls 95 % of our reality, except for the 5 % of the time when we're consciously choosing and doing something that's in front of us. Most of our reality is governed by the unseen forces, our subconscious preferences, automated processes, decisions, beliefs, you know, it's just that it's just how we move through life. And that's why to be optimized for your desired outcome.

Jojo (32:14.471)
It helps to have that 95%. It's called the captain, the crew, when the captain says we're going that direction, but you've got mutiny and everyone says that all the sailors say we're not going to paddle or we're going to paddle in different, you know, incoherence and not with each other. Then you don't end up where you want to go. You're in this paddle boat with, you know, captains choosing a direction and then all the sailors, you know, either don't bother paddling or paddling in their own time. So this is what I mean by aligned coherence.

You your subconscious in alignment. And the other thing you mentioned before was about reaching. If you're magnetic, you don't reach. You're magnetic. You're magnetic. You're either a repel or you're attract. The moment you reach, there's a pre-supposition that you don't have, which makes you not a magnetic fit for what you desire. When we reach for the things that we don't have, we say to the world, we don't have it. When we allow ourselves to be an energetic fit and receive, we have it. I'm already it. I'm already, I already am.

the identity fit for what I desire. I magnetize everything that I want always, always. Everything that is happening to me is for me to bring me in a coherent state of alignment with what I desire. The dance though, between that is manifesting and surrender to push forth what you truly desire, but then releasing the outcome and allowing it to, to, you know, land or to be received. have a tough time with this, even though

it is a universal truth and it lands for me, my logic gets in the way and it's like, yeah, but how? Well, yes. And you tell me that you don't really believe it, or what you just told me. And I pause before you respond.

You an example. When a farmer plants a seed to grow a crop, does he continuously pull the seed up to look at it to see if it's sprouted yet?

Jojo (34:10.86)
He puts the seed in the ground, he waters it, trusts that it'll grow. And then he allows the crop to grow. That's crazy that you just said that. My first ever episode is called Roots Before Romance. And it was inspired by a conversation that I had with someone that's extremely important to me. And he said, when you start a relationship, you plant the seed.

You don't just bombard it with sunlight or overwater it. You take space, you take time, you go back to when it needs to grow. So, absolutely.

That makes a lot of sense. And I guess I didn't correlate that to manifesting or to like, you know, pushing something forward. Like for instance, this is a silly story, but yesterday I had a flight at 1.30 PM. I was leaving where I was and it was a beautiful day. The weather hadn't been great where I was like the past few days. And I was like, gosh, I just really wish I could, you know, enjoy the beach a little bit and like get some sun cause that was not an option. And,

I couldn't change my flight. had a really basic ticket. All of these things were happening and I'm packing my bags. I'm going to the car. Even though I was still messaging with the Delta, I was also on the phone with them. And I'm about to put my bags in the car and the woman comes on and she's like, hi, how can I help you? Da da da. And I was like, hello. And I told her the situation and she goes, yeah, it looks like your flight's delayed. I could put you on a later flight at no charge.

And it was like, I had let go of the outcome. I had accepted the fact that I was about to get on that airplane and leave, not spend the last few hours with my brother, really just, okay, I'm not meant to be in the sun. I'm not meant to go to the beach. I'm not meant to like, whatever, it's okay. Even though I really wanted that, I'd let go.

Jojo (36:12.452)
And I got eight more hours because of that. Can I give you an even crazier story or account that I've got that is something along with what you say? is magic what I'm about to share with you. So about three months ago or so I did a trip with my partner to Yosemite. And whilst we're on the hike, we're hiking, we're doing this, we ended up hiking like 27 kilometers, which I think is like, I don't know.

16 miles up a hill, 4,000 foot elevation gain to the top of Half Dome for those of you that know Yersemite. And further she's ever hiked was like five miles or something like that. So this is a big up level. And so we're setting out on this path and there's like, we're getting to the top full stop. We're getting like within just say one kilometer at the top. She's exhausted. She's tired. I'm kind of when I'm pushing on, I'm being a bit of a jerk, but I'm like, she needs to rest.

And under sufferance, I stop. Right. I know this is not my panning me in a good light, but it sounds like I'm very mission focused. Right. She sits down. I sit down and it's clear that she wants an extended break and there's weather coming and there's rain coming. And if the rain comes, this is why I'm There's rain coming. You don't get to climb the dome. We don't reach the target because it's slippery and can fall off the top sort of thing.

And we can see these clouds coming and all the rest of it. I'm like, okay. Oh well. We got close to my mind. I'm like, kind of resigning anyway. So I, we get up after about 20 minutes, just say 25 minutes, continue walking. We're walking for 40 minutes more. And I realized I don't have my phone on me. When we set, when we sat down, I left my phone at this place.

And so we're like, my phone has all my cards, my bank cards, you know, residency cards, everything and her card. And I'm like, and I go, you know what? We came to climb the mountain. Let's keep going. So we climbed to the top of the mountain just before it rains. starts raining as we're climbing down the top of the half dome. Literally we're walking back, start spitting and.

Jojo (38:40.015)
the whole idea and the rain's following us, we get back to where the phone was, of course it's not there. So we leave the UCSB National Park. The next day we're leaving, drive and that night I drove and we went to all the lost and found, we submitted all the applications, drive an hour and a half to Fresno. We're meant to meet up with a friend then. He cancels and says, can't meet us. So that gave us extra time because we had to literally drive straight from Fresno to the airport.

And I'm starting to recognize, well, we called the, you lost the fight again. This is the last chance. I'm leaving my phone behind and there's investment, the cards, everything. And I just let it go. But there's something was, was holding in this field of void, possibility that can get back to me, as well as feeling the emotions of letting it go. We finished our breakfast. As we're packing up the Airbnb in Fresno, we get a message.

Someone's got your phone. This is where it gets crazy. gosh. The person who picked up the phone happened to see an ID card that saw that I was at a residency in Mexico. They messaged the one person they know in Mexico who happened to be in Playa del Carmen, who happened to have sold insurance to me, who then posted in a group. Someone in that group messaged, me.

message in a homecoming group that someone then saw that who happened to know I was traveling with a new partner that no one really knew who that I was even with her to then message her phone that then allowed us to drive an hour and a half back of hours back to Yosemite to get my phone to then drive back to the airport to get there at the exact time that we needed to chicken before our flight she's going to cause and I got my phone when you're in a magnetic alignment.

magic and miracles happen. I was in the place of possibility of it coming back but not attached to it. And also okay with the morning of it not coming back but I never spoke that it wouldn't come back. I was just like if it's meant to come back it will and I trust it will. I trust it will find me and I let it go if it doesn't.

Jojo (40:56.109)
I love that. It's connected, but detached. Non-attached conviction. Non-attached conviction. That's a new one for me. Huh. You're to the thing you want in life, but you're not, you're unattached how it comes to you. You don't know if it's seagulls or seaweed. You don't know if it's a side mission that's necessary to get to this next step or outcome. The way I got to non-attached conviction is with my land project.

And when I've convicted to it, once you convict to something extraordinary, you need to be an energetic match. You need to have the identity that's a fit for that outcome. Everything that's an obstruction between you and that outcome is going to come up due to meet resolve, transmute, transform to be an energetic aligned fit for that outcome. I've had a doozy of a full five years of time to come an energetic match from that. And now I'm working in the field and this is to come back.

You you mentioned the start, you know, I do advisory. What I do is I help to unlock deals to find out at which level, you know, I mentioned the logical levels of change is an obstruction to this deal going through. And I can feel and I can test key kinesiologically and otherwise, which people in the deal might be blocking that deal from happening. This is magic. So what I do is I optimize the identities of the people so the deals happen. To give you some idea, when I met a guy, one of my

leading clients where this whole trajectory of life took me. And this is after, you know, I've made millions in, you know, in a turnover revenue every year in a business in my last business, sold that business, took that money, bought all this stuff. Then my world started dissolving. I started meeting people who were in the void, whose, whose worlds were not working, but we're working on massive things. So my client from a very wealthy family, you know, family dynasty on one side.

and around a brand that everyone would recognize, I'll say that much. And working on some huge projects that again, everyone listening would recognize. And synchronistic alignment brought me to work with this person. didn't know who he was, very secretive person in a way. He tells me that he's being loaned $20,000 a month just to support his family. He's been working on a project for 14 years. He has conviction. But

Jojo (43:22.787)
He's gone through all these different things. You keep sabotaging. He doesn't know how or why. The deals fall through the last minute. He's in a legal battle. He's experiencing health problems. He's about to lose his business a second time. All the IPs with someone else. He's got no control. Somehow he managed to swindle away to find himself in a position of powerlessness in that circumstances, change of circumstances, seeming. And this is that this is the part of the story. Power is always inside of you.

to influence your environment always, always, So from that moment, after our first session, someone called him to give him over $200,000. That was after the first call.

After that, over the period of the months, the peeling the layers of the onion to find the obstructions to what was blocking him from being an identity match for his outcome, changing his story, he got his business back. The person who was holding onto his IP just gave it back and exited the business.

From that moment, he then finally got approval, financial funding. This is to the tune of $1.5 billion.

that he'd been working on. Now the project's funded. He's got three site locations that are worth around $400 million plus each that have all come into fruition because he's now an energetic match, an identity match for that outcome.

Jojo (44:50.884)
That's incredible. So I'm now working on in a different field around deals. I've got a guy who's working on a large project for, um, you know, like a residential wellness project, similar to what I'm, and there's this energetic alignment and he's got these ginormous deals that he's going to become an instant billionaire. Yeah. wasn't an edited it fit for it. So I started to work with him.

I started to remove the energetic blocks and we'll know this week that this has come through. So that's a wait and see. The work you're doing is so powerful and I think so many people can really benefit from the work of uncovering those blocks and just removing them completely. Integrating. I can delete them. I do know how to do that, but I don't remove, I don't

What I actually do is I change the meaning of your story. I can take out that event so you never even remember the event happened, but that's not what I do. I do is I change Delete was the wrong word. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I change the meaning of the events because those things make you hurt. They give you the textures. I was doing this ayahuasca journey and I was sitting on the bathroom purging and I started seeing this vision of, you know, I thinking about trauma and pain.

And trauma and pain, if you think about how a tree grows, the knots that gives it character, comes through the struggles and different things that the tree has grown through that give it unique, know, aesthetic. And I started to think of them about the challenge, the traumatic life experiences in my life. What if I began to see them with beauty? What if was AKA change the story about them, about how they made me into the extraordinary man that I am now am.

You know? Yeah. Something was said recently that I heard and it was, don't waste a good breakup. I thought that was iconic because the amount you can learn about yourself and also just like realize, I mean, it speaks for itself. I'm not even going to unpack that, but it really just was like, oh, like a wow moment for me. And I was like, that's amazing.

Jojo (47:15.363)
Because in the moment they suck. They're the worst things. You want that person back. You miss them, all the things. And then you look back and you're like, thank God I'm not there anymore. you, universe, taking that away. I want to just, on that note, because it links. I want to talk about how that relates to power and how it relates to grasping. You you said when you're a magnetic fit, it just comes into your reality. When people are in a...

I've been talking a bit about money, but let's talk about relationships. When people are reaching for a partner, typically because they're not content and satisfied within themselves, and they're telling the story that they're incomplete, and they're telling themselves a story that they need to reach for something from that person, validation, love, acceptance, approval, acknowledgement, whatever it might be, and that that is external to them, so they must reach for it.

they're never an energetic match for it. So love always eludes them. Once they reclaim the knowledge, what I call an internal frame of authority and internal frame of reference, which is also why I go by the name sovereign wealth or, you know, I'm put my Instagram and hold for the time being, because I'm focusing on LinkedIn. But my business is around sovereign point, sovereign wealth. It's because what I came to realize is that when you are in your magnetic polarity, you're in your sovereignty.

Right. If you think of man and a woman, when they're in their sovereign energy, they're not reaching, they're not codependent, they're not trying to grab, they're not trying to take, they're in a full acknowledgement in their sovereign power, which is the name of one of my programs. They acknowledge the power within and they're a magnetic fit for that polarity in the external environment. So the deeper reason why I do what I do is I restore people into their sovereignty because I restore them to the power to stop suffering, start magnetizing the life that they are fit for.

which is something that's going to be extraordinary because they're in the divine, the divine expression, the divine connection. Wow. That, that really landed for me because it defies logic. doesn't like space and time collapse when you really truly go in and stop, stop reaching for the external and the out. To land that point and you're on it, you're in it. When you're in the void,

Jojo (49:43.159)
You can't reach or grab for anything because you're not attached to anything. The void is a place of your possibility and potential. What will come to you is what you're a magnetic fit for. I love that. In the void.

Yeah, I'm seeing that vastly play out in my life right now. It's just such a beautiful and almost like magical thing. Not even almost, it is magic. It's like, it doesn't make sense how certain things are playing out and they just are. And it's that, you know, detached, connected, but detached or you said it so beautifully before. Connected, no, detached conviction.

No. Which is that right? Non-attached conviction. Non-attached conviction, yes. So what you described in it also is a transition what I call linear predictable. When you're in a predictable linear path, A plus B equals C. Life's kind of that's the predictable. It's boring. when you want to enter the realm of, well, but you still have to have a basis of gratitude there. Yeah, you're right. You're right. And then

If you want to enter the realm of the exponential. The realm of the potential, the potential, then you have to transcend logical linear. Because it's no longer A plus B equals C, it's A plus B equals Z.

doesn't make any sense other than you're an energetic match for something extraordinary. You can see that it's possible and you let it happen. You magnetize it. You become a fit for it somehow. Wow. Yeah. I want to get messy mentally, emotionally and spiritually. Mentally, when you have all of these different challenges coming your way, how do you stay clear and on your path? I gave a hint before.

Jojo (51:47.178)
I assume it's in my house good.

Yeah. Wow. Just that tiny reframe. So powerful. Because of this, what's the story I'm telling myself of what this moment is? You can catch yourself. How is this in my heart's good right now? This is an ouch experience. It's painful. How is this serving me to my highest good? Because of this, how is this bringing me closer? That's the first thing. I assume it's in my favor and then I'm grateful.

I bring my awareness and attention to what is the coherent place to what I want to experience. That doesn't always happen straight away. What I usually do is I restore coherence within myself. I meditate, I exercise, I do breath work. I bring myself back to a resourceful state because I'm human. I get whacked every now and then like the next person, blindsided by something I couldn't see. I'm somewhat more fortunate that I can integrate and resolve things very quickly once I see them, you know, through my skill sets.

So first is an ouch, and then I'm like, okay, I recover my state. And sometimes that includes meeting discomfort, like standing on nail boards, doing eye spasms. But whatever intuitively goes, like what brings me back to my baseline? The main way that this happens very rarely for me, I would say I'm extraordinarily resourceful in holding my center compared to other person. And I have an extremely high level of energetic hygiene, so I the consequences

of me not having some. The way I do that is through ritual, rising rituals. Every morning I get up, I do exercise, I meditate, I create a baseline resonance that is a state of coherence. And I remind myself of what is important, the top things that are important to me. That brings me into alignment. So now I'm in a state of coherence and a state of alignment, because I know what is the priority for the day. I set intentions.

Jojo (53:47.65)
for how these things are going to go. So before I enter any, you know, before this call is an example, before every call I do, I set an intention that this, this one, for instance, was this is going to be one of the most profound podcasts presentations that I've done for people to receive the message that I'm here to share. And that is going to make a difference in people's lives. listen to it. Right. I set that intention for, I came in before every client interaction. set an intention for the outcome that I want in their favor.

So when with my new partner, I set an intention before we were first intimate or anything like that of how this relationship was going to go. Because it sets the container, the boundary conditions for what I want in that experience.

I set it in new partnerships, the intention. So the intention helps to determine the align outcome, which is always stated in a way that is for the highest good and wellbeing of myself and the people that I'm co-creating with. my job is to hold myself into a coherent alignment. When the resistance comes up, I assume it's bringing me closer. And then I resolve the pattern, the pain, whatever it is that's there by bringing myself back to a state of coherence, then to a back up state, back to a state of alignment.

You know, usually I ask a question like mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. And what's really beautiful about the way you just answered me mentally is my next question was going to be about emotional regulation and how you do that and spiritually how you ground yourself. And what you just did was address all of those in that answer of mentally. So thank you. Thank you for this conversation. Thank you for the intention. Thank you for your time. And where can people find you?

At the moment, the best place is on LinkedIn because my main focus now is advisory and my project that I'm building, which is a new concept called a Thrive Village, which is if we've been talking for an hour about optimized identities, I would be creating an optimized habitat, a luxury regenerative habitat that optimizes our wellbeing, physically, emotionally, and spiritually, mentally.

Jojo (56:00.278)
So we're have to have a part two and really unpack that because that is where you live and the way that you live is the foundation of your life. that will be part two. Look out for that listeners. So Leah, look me up at Nathan Wakeford or natewakeford.go.by. Nate Wakeford on LinkedIn is probably gonna be the easiest path to find me. And I've written a whole bunch of...

posts where you'll start to get a feel for my vibe and how I share this kind of wisdom that I am now here. Amazing. Well, all of that will be linked in the show notes and you guys know where to find me on Substack, on Instagram. All of that is also linked in the show notes. Guys, take a second, take a deep breath. Think of someone who needs to hear this message. Who needs to hear this exact message and share it with them.

And with that, have a beautiful week. I'll see you all soon.