Doing Well but Not Feeling Well: Why Success Still Feels Empty with Pratiqk Jaani

You can do everything "right": hit the goal, get the title, build the life that's supposed to feel good, and still feel empty. In this episode of Inside OUT, Jojo sits down with Pratiqk Jaani, an accountant turned transformation teacher and author of Dhrasti, to unpack why doing well doesn't always mean feeling well. After 20+ years advising entrepreneurs, Pratik discovered the real problem was never the money. It was the perception people were unconsciously living through. They explore how childhood conditioning creates a default state of "lack," why every new goal (or new relationship) only feeds it, and how shifting into "wholeness" changes your entire experience of life. Pratik also shares two exercises you can do at home tonight to glimpse your true self beneath the conditioning. Then we close by getting MESy: mental, emotional, and spiritual questions to sit with this week.

Connect with Pratiqk: https://www.pratiqkjaani.com/ or on IG @dhrastipratiqkjaani

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Transcript

Welcome to the Inside Out Podcast. I'm your host JoJo and this is where we will navigate the mess together. That is mental, emotional, and spiritual. Let's get into it.

speaker-0 (00:27.49)
Day. And you guys, this is today's topic. And I think this is probably gonna land for a lot of people because you probably felt this at some point in your life, even if you haven't even like said it out loud. You can do everything, quote unquote, right, right? You can hit the goal, get the title, build that life that's supposed to feel good, but somehow you're still feeling empty or maybe disconnected. Like

Like you're watching your own life from the outside instead of maybe living in it. So that's what we're going to get into today. It's looking at achievement without fulfillment. Why doing well doesn't always feel good, and what actually is going to close that gap. My guest today is Pratik Jani. He spent over 20 years as an accountant and tax advisor working closely with entrepreneurs, and somewhere in those years he started noticing a pattern. It wasn't money, it were the circumstances.

Actually causing people stresses and disconnection. It was something underneath that. The perception that they were unconsciously living through. This noticing turned into his book called Drasti, the perception and method that he now teaches and helps people shift. So this perception is going to bring back clarity and a lot of calm. So pratique, welcome to Inside Out.

speaker-1 (01:48.472)
Thank you, Jojo. Thank you for having me.

speaker-0 (01:50.84)
Thank you for joining me. So before we do anything, take me back. You're twenty years deep into your accounting business and tax advisory. You're working every day doing this. What was the moment that you realized that the numbers weren't actually the problem?

speaker-1 (02:11.766)
I came here at the age of eighteen, I was studying accounting, worked for other companies first before I started my own business. And every time I was consulting my client on doing the startup and things, I think it wasn't the numbers, it wasn't the resources that were either, you know, slowing their growth or not exploiting the quality you know, the product they have, the opportunities, is their own mindset, their limiting beliefs, their attitude towards

Fears, fear of failure and fear of losing what they have. And I have experienced that by myself. I wanted to go full time on my own business. And I kept telling myself that once I have saved, you know, six months worth of bills, I'm going to start my business. And it took me eight years, not to save six months of you know expenses, but to realize that the moment is now.

And I overcame those fears which were holding me back. So it wasn't actually about the money, it's about my internal state. And when I learned this, I started sharing with my clients and they saw me as I was motivating them and they felt energized when I talked to them. And I you know, when I give them counter arguments to their belief system, it was interrupting their patterns and for a short time they could do what I suggested them to do.

or they wanted to do but they needed some boost from someone. So they were successful. And then after a month or two, when that goes away, they come back to their default state. And then they come to me again and I, you know, th that was like an ongoing process. I learned to overcome my fears when I was diagnosed with tuberculosis in 2017. And I couldn't s get up from the bed for three months. And what I realized is

I asked myself a question out of nowhere, this random question, like, what if I passed away in this, you know, illness? What would happen to the things which are holding me back to the life I want to live? Like starting my own business and expand and grow? What is that is really stopping me? And it was all my own fears. So I I came across motivational speakers around that time. I came across lots of books for

speaker-1 (04:32.738)
changing our mindset from negative, you know, the like scarcity or fear-based mindset to the positive mindset. And I I I became positive and I was sharing the same knowledge and experiences with my clients. But four years ago I came across rapid transformational therapy, which is on RTT. It's a form of hypnotherapy created by Marissa Pierre. And what I learned is that the the negative belief or

The fear-based beliefs we were learning in our childhood from the events that were happening around us. So I hypnotized number of people on anger, self-doubt, self-worth, you know, lack of self-worth, weight loss, and there was something common which I really found, which was when they went into childhood, there was something happening outside. And how their subconscious perceived that as an emotional experience.

It formed that pattern of belief. You know, that's the neurological pattern. So if one of the parents was angry to the other, the other sudd surrender or submitted and things went in the way of the one who got angry. And as a child, that person saw a number of events where the person who got angry got things their way. So this child learned that if you want things your way, you g you have to get angry. And that's how my clients started getting angry.

And a similar style was in everyone. And when I did self hypnosis to myself and I had my own challenges, I actually saw that this is something I learned in my childhood. So I was helping people with this, and then there was a moment where I got to the state because I you know I've done meditations, I've done Korea Yoga, I've done Sudguru Zinner Engineering program, I've done psychedelic in Peru, I've done Dr. Judy Spencer's formula course.

I've I've I've done law of attraction and all this all sorts of things to make my life better. You know, every you you find something new, you experiment it and it helps you and then you move on to the advanced level and you go, you know, you do that journey. So I think my tuberculosis to you know, come coming back to your question, my tuberculosis was something that really made me think for the very first time that the only reason I was living how I was living

speaker-1 (06:59.298)
was how I was conditioned in my childhood.

speaker-0 (07:02.102)
Mm-hmm. So this this thing that we have inside of us, this like this lens that we're seeing everything through, you're saying that that can be completely rewired. Is that only through hypnosis? Or is it the what you're is that what you're calling Drasti method? Or what can you kind of clarify what you mean?

speaker-1 (07:26.242)
Okay, okay. That isn't what I call drusty method because that's something I was doing which I learned from, you know, Marissa Pierre. So we we help clients remove those negative beliefs and then put positive beliefs in a way of positive affirmations, which becomes a recording and which people hear for thirty days. It's like that reputation will eventually reprogram our mind. But what I discovered or realized is at one point when I was meditating

I had this thought that the painful experiences which I was going through was my learned experiences and I'm changing them to positive experiences. But again there are learned experiences. So what is deeper than that? And when I shifted my awareness to that state, I felt the wholeness, I felt the completeness, I felt that abundance. I was complete like an ocean.

You know, no a extra water can change that state. And if you take away a lot of water away from this ocean, it is still the same ocean. I felt that. You know, it became my experience. And then what I did is I I I literally relived my life in my head from this part, this state. And what I saw is you know, when I was born, I knew nothing. I couldn't speak. I knew my parents were trying to say something, which I understand now what they were saying.

But in that moment I didn't understand. They were just sounds to me. It's like, you know, somebody speaking in a different language. For us, it's just a sound. It doesn't have any meanings attached to it. So as a child, I didn't know anything when I was six months old. And then I went to my later period when I was like eighteen or twenty-one. And I went to the events where I was really happy. And this part is there still with that wholeness, but is seeing me.

experiencing the happiness. I then went to an event which was painful and I was crying, I was I didn't know what to do. This part was like that ocean watching me experiencing the sadness and the pain. And then what I realized is that every experience we have learned, the every emotions are learnt emotions. The events take place externally, but how we interpreted that subconsciously as growing up

speaker-1 (09:54.168)
Created our reality and somehow accumulation of lots of beliefs created our identity. So our identity is what we are good at, what we believe the life should be, what we believe the world is. And you know, as we were growing up, the the the activities which we did, now some of them would have been praised by our parents or people around us, some of them would not have been praised, or some of them could have even been punished for.

So the activities which we did or performance we did which were praised, we put them in our good book. And the ones which were punished, we would try not to do them again. And that kind of forms our behavior, that forms our identity. So by the time we are twelve, thirteen, I know that I'm Pratik. You know, I know I have to study hard. I know I have to be kind. I know I have to be helping people. That is all programming. And

This is all really good. What happened is this programming has a default state of lack, which means that no it wants you to chase fulfillment externally. So we look at other people how they chase fulfillment. So people go for money, people go for success, people go for love, people go for luxury, and all these things became for something for us to chase to then receive, you know, feel that fulfillment.

Which was there before we started learning this. So we forgot our true self. So when I say perception, we operate from conditioned self, which is operating from lack. That's this you know very nature to operate from that makes us do things. But then we are emotionally attached to the outcome, which is the fulfillment. But because we don't know, we set targets that I want to make million dollars.

And when we hit the million dollar, we feel, you know, we believe that after getting million dollar I will be fulfilled, it lasts for a week or two, and then the the the lack wakes up again and then you have a next target of ten million. Because the wholeness is a state, it doesn't have defined success to make that fulfillment as a feeling, no matter how much we receive materially.

speaker-1 (12:12.116)
It is never going to change that state because the state has no numbers, it's emotions. Emotionals emotions cannot be quantified with numbers. So one million, ten million, hundred million is gonna give us exch you know exactly the same lack. But because when we understand now through drusty method that this was all learned experiences and you were always whole, from that point, when we engage in any activity, we are receiving bliss from

being part of that activity rather than having to expect something in return. Because it's conditioning, he wants you to do something and expect something in return. And that's where we are struggling. So when we receive what we expect, we get happy. When we don't receive what we expect, we get disappointed. But when we are operating from wholeness, by acting, doing what we were doing gives us joy.

Now if we get it, it's an experience of happiness, and if we didn't get it, it's an experience of sadness. We don't take that I am sad, I'm experiencing the sadness. And that's where the difference is. Like if we eat chili and we know it's spicy. If we eat sugar, we know it's sweet. But we don't put label either one of them is good or bad, because chili has its own flavor, sugar has its own flavor. It's just like that. Happiness is an experience.

Sadness is an experience, and you won't attach those experiences to yourself. That changes the complete perception because everyone somehow learned to live the life from the perception of that conditioned self. And we are not wrong because everybody is doing that. So when everyone does it, it becomes normal because we don't know any other way. But when we start to live from this wholeness, everything becomes only experience.

There is nothing to manifest because if you manifest wealth, if you're trying to use law of attraction to manifest wealth, you are again chasing for fulfillment externally. Yes, you have changed your methods to achieve, but you are still chasing fulfillment. Whereas if you are operating from wholeness, you don't manifest objects, you manifest different experiences without being attached to the outcome.

speaker-0 (14:26.274)
So I wanna ground this because there's a lot that you're you're saying, but just for our listener, you what you're saying is two people can essentially be living the exact same realities, whether it that's a job or an experience, but they're going to they're gonna actually interpret it completely different. And what you're saying, their interpretation is their perception. So if they're coming from it from a wholeness.

They're gonna have a different reality. But if they're coming from lack, they're gonna have a different outcome. So when you I'm assuming you're working with your clients directly to navigate the gap between that, what is the process and how can people kind of look at their own lives? Maybe let's let's bring a relationship, for instance. If they're in a relationship and they think, okay, this is supposed to be fulfilling, this is supposed to make me happy.

speaker-1 (14:58.402)
Yes.

speaker-0 (15:21.056)
I'm supposed to get married and have the kids and the house and the the whole life, right? But they're not fulfilled. Yes. Where how do you how do you bridge that gap between them being not fulfilled and actually reaching fulfillment in that place? Because they want that and that's what they f but they don't feel it internally.

speaker-1 (15:27.02)
Yeah, yeah.

speaker-1 (15:41.772)
Yes. So I like it's a really good question and I I'm gonna say that the very reason you s you feel that you want that, that want actually came from conditioning. So the process is that okay, why do you really want that person to make you feel fulfilled? So what happens when we were growing and I will share my own journey, you know, when I was growing, I saw people

getting married, I saw people getting engaged and they were so happy and I see the flowers and ro you know, the cards and gifts and heart shaped balloons and especially movies really magnify the expression of love. And we create certain expectations from our married life. Like this is how I want my partner to be and this is what I'm going to do. What we also see is, you know, you you give a lot in order to receive the love. And that's one of the, you know

basic thing we learn about love. We don't receive love automatic. We we give something. Because as we were growing up, as I said earlier, the the actions we took which were praised, we got that attention, we do more for it, you know, we do more of it. So but if you go out to some strange place, you know, you live in a hostel where nobody knows about your talent, and if you did something which was no longer acknowledgeable in that culture or in that place,

You're not gonna get the same reaction from people or same appreciation, and that's where you are going to feel disappointed. And that's gonna give you a lot of pain because previously you were trained to receive appreciation for what you did. But that's what the conditioning does to us, that we s we set expectations for what we give. So what happens is let's say we met a new person, we are dating, and slowly, you know

we feel that we're gonna feel the wholeness, the completeness with this person. But because we are operating from lack, there is always that doubt, it's always gonna be there. Is it really gonna last for long? Is it really and what happens is if the other person has a different lack, because I have my own criteria of how I want my partner to be, and the other person may have different criteria of how they want their partner,

speaker-1 (18:04.268)
So, you know, initially we are attracted because love is something it's not just about the emotion, there is also our evolutionary process with our body's mechanism that it wants to reproduce. So there is also physical attraction, right? And then there is a love which operates from lack and it wants to receive something. So what happens is, you know, after the relationship is more secured, so it's like you had a million pound target and you achieved it.

And then after a while, because of your lack is always there, you don't know what to do because with money you can have one million pounds and then you can, you know, aim for ten million. So you've got something else to look to. Maybe that would make me fulfill. But in relationship, it isn't there. And also if you didn't receive what you wanted from your partner, you feel disappointed and you what we do is what we learn from others. I mean, our coping mechanism is also a learned mechanism. So

Either we would be upset with our partner or we create scene or you know, we instead of when we are together spending good time, we would actually end up arguing about what that person is not doing. And the reason this is happening is because this is a lack. And now let's say you changed you broke up and you went to a new partner. So when you have a new partner, you have high hopes that okay, everybody's not the same. The new partner is gonna fulfill me the way I want.

And after multiple relationships, what you realize is your experience was quite similar because it was your lack which you wanted them. You made the partner to be fulfilling your lack and make you feel complete. And because lack is your conditioning, you can have hundred relationships. But if you don't change your inner state, you are going to feel the lack. And you know, I mean when we talk about extramarital relationships, right? That is only

People, you know, look for fulfillment. So until you actually have that person, you have those hopes that no, when this person is like full time with me, like committed, I'm gonna feel that fulfillment. So we we do everything. We you know, everything becomes effortless for us. You know, we can wake up five o'clock in the morning to say good morning and all that thing because we want that person. But once that person is there, you know, we might say that we take each other for granted, but it's not that. Even though we had that.

speaker-1 (20:30.382)
Person, our lack is still there. So it's it now realizes that this isn't what I thought it would do. So now you're not happy again. Now if we see this whole scenario from wholeness, what happens is that you are complete by yourself. You are whole. You don't need another person to

speaker-0 (20:51.04)
you get there? How do you get to wholeness? Because a lot of people I'm sure are listening being like, okay, I can relate. I've gone from relationship to relationship, and there's always this thing that's not quite right. And I don't know what it is. But yeah, I'm coming from lack and I'm trying to have that person fulfill me and blah blah blah. But coming from wholeness, it's not like you just like click an on switch in your brain and you're like and now I'm whole. You know it's like what what is like the step process or one thing that someone can shift to perception to get there.

speaker-1 (21:17.928)
yeah.

speaker-1 (21:21.528)
To be honest, it is something like pressing a switch. Okay. It's just about finding the switch and accepting this is the switch. That's the journey. So my journey was you know, what you're feeling, be honest about what you feel with yourself. Because then only you will be able to dig deeper and find the answers, right? So

speaker-0 (21:40.766)
true. A lot of people are lying to themselves all the time about what's underneath. Okay. That's a that's a good

speaker-1 (21:46.99)
That's that's one thing. I and I think as long as you are open to explore your own self and be honest about accepting what you will find there. The my journey was that I found that the the thing I call love and how I interpret love, how I had a desire to have a certain partner, is something I learned in my childhood and that somehow created that desire.

So when I saw that for myself, and I'm gonna share how you can actually see it without come so the three day event, the drusty method, is actually a process which isn't gonna teach you any techniques, but it's gonna get you to that switch. And after that three days, that switch is gonna be auto on. So whenever you are in that state where you need that switch to turn on, it will turn on automatic. But I'm not gonna go there right now. So when you when you dig deeper

So I'm gonna give an example. If we see go to a magician show and we love the magic tricks, because for us, we cannot believe how that's been done, because it's not possible for us to do it. And we are thrilled by it. We feel excited to see the magic. And then an hour later, the magician actually shows his most amazing trick, how he does it. And now the fun is over. Right? So if I was

seeking love and I was so much disheartened by my partner hurting me. I want to blame the partner because that's what everyone else does because we make other person responsible to complete us, right? Instead of us taking the responsibility of our own self. But instead if I went deeper, I actually did a semi hypnosis, I'm gonna share how to do it. Anybody can do it by themselves. I actually saw in my childhood how I learned what love is.

How I learned what I how I expressed love, how I learned what I should expect from my partner. That's like me learning the magic trick. And as soon as I learned it, it vanished. Like I no longer need that because this is the wholeness. I was already whole when I was born. I was told repeatedly by events outside that I needed a partner to fulfill me. And that applies to everyone.

speaker-0 (24:07.534)
our own BS, excuse my front, drops and we're able to like see it clearly.

speaker-1 (24:12.27)
I think the the second challenge is when we see the truth, our identity we call ego, right? That's how we identify ourselves. It doesn't want to lose its identity. So it it wants its familiarity. So it it it resists to accept that this blissful state is the true self. It that you know, that's where the challenge is. But the more open you are and the more you are able to accept what you are finding, it's easy. It gets quicker.

speaker-0 (24:40.652)
And this is the Rosteev method, right? This is

speaker-1 (24:43.01)
This is a part of trusty method. It's like a teaser. You can taste it.

speaker-0 (24:47.298)
Before we before we do that, just for our friend in the room listening, Pratik does a three-day method and it's like a retreat style thing. I didn't mention that. And he's actually gonna give us a little insight right now of some of the things we can do by ourselves practically at home that can help us kind of understand this this veil, this layer that is blocking the reality. So yeah, go for it.

speaker-1 (25:14.306)
Okay, okay, okay. So there are two exercises I'm gonna mention and if you do them together, then you will find you will experience something. And you don't have to say it to anybody, just be honest with yourself, okay? So exercise number one is really simple. You can just sit somewhere and you know, close your eyes just so that you can focus what is really happening inside. And you take a breath as normal, hold it for three seconds, and then exhale.

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And then hold it for three seconds again.

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And then inhale again.

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And what I would like you to do is when you have these pauses, feel what you're feeling in that pause, which is deeper than this breathing. So observe t you know, a couple of pauses, just observe what what state you feel.

speaker-1 (26:21.078)
Initially you'll feel like nothing. But that nothingness, just hold on to that nothingness.

Okay.

And then, so this is exercise number one. I want you to remember that nothingness. And then, you know, when you are if you have ten, fifteen minutes, I would do these both exercises at the same time. So you lie down on a couch or a or a bed and relax your body completely. So you can do the same breathing without holding, but as you exhale, remove any contractions, any tension from every single muscle.

What it does is it brings our brain into theta frequency so we have more access to our subconscious mind. And just pick one emotion, for example, anger, and command your subconscious mind that I want to know how I learned to get angry. I'm gonna count from five to one, and on one you're gonna show me what happened in my childhood or whenever where I learned the anger. Five, four, five.

Three, two, one. And again, you be open to it and you will see something in your childhood. It could be daytime or a nighttime, you could be outdoor or indoor. And you will see something is happening. And whatever you see that is happening, just observe what you're feeling. It's your emotions, because emotion is the programming, not the event.

speaker-1 (27:58.774)
And then I would like you to do one extra thing. So what you're feeling is how your subconscious is interpreting that event. That's it's the meaning of that. But then remember that state of pause, which you just learned earlier. Go to that pause state and then revisit this whole event. And what you will see is that the state is there, is watching.

What you were feeling when you were perceiving that event to get angry. That state which is watching. So at the moment I'm speaking words and you are listening the words, and there is something in you listening that sound, and there is something behind that which you will see is watching you listen my words. That something is our true self. That something is you felt when you pause your breath.

You you were you were you took a pause between the breaths. And it's that state. Now, if you did these three things and see what is the common state which was within you, that's what the true self is. Now, I know it can it it may not happen in the first time because we're not aware of doing the imagination. And when I said, you know, go to the childhood, how it appears. So if you're if you are practicing visualization, that should be very easy for you. But if you're not

Then you know, how do you remember your past? If you had to close your eyes and, you know, think of your last holidays, what you did, how does it appear, those images? These images come exactly like that. So it's very easy for you to interpret. So the three day method actually is structured in a way where it's it's got number of exercises which will take you closer and closer to your true self. And it also includes that you will see your life journey from the true self.

So you can easily separate your I you know the conditioned self and see the whole life. You know, just do the like a recap of your life from the true self. And you will feel it. You will ex you know, you'll feel exactly what was happening. At the end of three days, you should be able to be conscious of your thoughts. So you won't just get a random thought to go and do something. You won't be impulsive anymore. You choose what you want to think about.

speaker-1 (30:22.764)
And when you choose it, you know that your thought creates emotions. You will see these things. Y your thought creates your emotion. Your emotion creates your action. And that action will have the reaction which then feeds back to the system and it creates that loop of our experiences.

speaker-0 (30:40.566)
Wow. That thank you so much for sharing that. And I think that's really powerful for people to to dive into. Is this mostly online or is it in person or how

speaker-1 (30:51.15)
It is in person and it's a resident one. So I'm doing our next event is in September in London. And there is a plan either later this year or early next year, we're gonna do it in the United States. I don't know the city or anything, but I'm talking to some people, just like yourselves, I was doing one podcast and they were really, really keen to for me to go and deliver some of the sessions. So that is kind of something in a pipeline.

But yeah, the three day is there. but what I suggested, and if you saw something in these two exercises, I think the more you get to see have you learned that particular emotional experience, you know, you can't do one emotion at a time. And you know, over ten days you would have learned have you learned ten emotions. And you can ask, give me another example of anger, give me third one, give me fourth one, and it will keep giving you different events. Have your subconscious perceived that. So when you see that, my God, this

How I interpreted these events was learned, and I'm reacting out of that learned expression, I'm not gonna do it anymore. And not only that, something else happens because now you also know the other people are acting out of their conditioning. Because they are also operating from their conditioned self. So now you won't be defending yourself if somebody comes and accuses you for something, because you just know it. You just be calm and just

You know, ha be relaxed in that state.

speaker-0 (32:21.378)
That's beautiful. Well, before I let you go, I'm gonna get messy mentally, emotionally, and spiritually, and you guys, I want you to think about these questions for yourself. We might answer, we might not, but mentally, what story have you been telling yourself? And maybe it's about not being enough. And where did that story come from?

speaker-0 (32:51.094)
Emotionally. Where in your life are you doing well but not feeling well? And what is underneath that? What emotion? What is that what Pratik was just saying? What is that layer that you need to go and uncover? What emotion do you need to is it anger? Is it something else? Say, show me something else. Can you get into that meditative state and that visualization and really uncover?

What those emotional blocks are.

And spiritually, if you dropped the belief that fixing your life is what will make you better and feel better.

Instead, what if you asked, is the way that I'm seeing my life shaping how it feels? And can you flip that from a spiritual lens? And does that look different?

speaker-0 (33:59.074)
Well, Pratik, thank you so much for joining me. And where can people find you? Connect with your three day retreat, whether that's in the UK or the US.

speaker-1 (34:09.912)
Certainly. The website's called drustymethod.com and it has multiple resources on the method. There is a YouTube series I've started recording, expanding the you know, making deeper conversations on the concepts in the book, and the three day method. I think the best thing is for them to, you know, become like a register their email address and

There's no regular like junk emails or anything, but an any important announcements like our next event in USA and dates like that or something really valuable will be shared from those emails. So keep in touch and you know, if they've read the book, if they've tried this and if they have any personal question, they can email to us and you know I'll do my best to get back to them with their tailored answer.

speaker-0 (34:59.798)
Amazing. Do you have social media?

speaker-1 (35:02.774)
I do. I'm on Instagram, on Facebook, LinkedIn, and you know, I was talking to somebody this morning and I was meditating and I had this thought like how we have evolved from you know animals to Homo sapiens and then humans. And the moment we started to think, we built all of this, right? over the thousands of years. However, because the conditioning was necessary.

For us to go through to create these experiences, but without becoming that experience, somehow we didn't learn that. I mean some people who were yogis or on on full-time spiritual path are enlightened beings. They experienced that. But now I think it's accessible to everybody. And if we see any more evolution in human is that, that everyone starts living from the state of wholeness. I think that should be the next

evolution in humankind and I think this is a beginning and what I've realized that I didn't go to Himalaya for twenty years and meditate. I was living my life just like everybody else, right? And whatever I experienced, I was driven automatic. I didn't make any efforts to do that. And you know if one has three days of their lifetime and they can transform themselves from living from conditioned self to the whole self or their real self.

And maybe over the hundred years, two hundred years, there will be a new world where everyone's living off the wholeness, the completeness, or the true self. Thank you, Jojo, for having me. Of course.

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